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AMcHarg King
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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How many IM norms does Alan already have? |
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Andy McCulloch King
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Another superb result. FIDE rating now 2289 according to results page.
All opponents so far have have been titled, the majority GM's. This is a remarkable step up in performance. Brilliant.
Keep it going for the last two rounds. |
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Andy McCulloch King
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Board working this afternoon.
Wish I had a clue what is going on. |
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JR King
Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Posts: 447 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Not much happened yet, looks like a typical Dragon/Najdorf hybrid position.
Am I right in thinking that a win today would secure FM title and GM norm!?
Great to see Alan finally getting the rewards for all his hard work over the last few years! Hopefully this will inspire others to do the same. |
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andyburnett King
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 249
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Think Brkic has made a mistake with 35...Nxe4?!
Haven't got an engine running but I think 36.Kxe4 Nf2+ 37.Kd4 Nxd1 38.Bc1 could be very strong for Alan (with the idea of simply walking into the queenside and mopping up there!?) |
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Alex McFarlane King
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Playing time: 90 minutes for 40 moves plus 15 minutes for the rest of the game, with an increment of 30 seconds per move, starting from move one.
I don't want to be a wet blanket but the only acceptable time controls for title events are:
1.14 The tournament must be played by using one of the following rates of play:
90 minutes with 30 seconds cumulative increment for each move starting from first move
90 minutes for 40 moves + 30 minutes with 30 seconds cumulative increment for each move starting from the first move
100 minutes for 40 moves followed by 50 minutes for 20 moves, then 15 minutes for the remaining moves with 30 seconds cumulative increment for each move starting from first move
40 moves in 2 hours followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game
40 moves in 2 hours followed by 60 minutes for the rest of the game
40 moves in 2 hours followed by 20 moves in 1 hour followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game.
I know the entry form says that it is acceptable for title norms but the FIDE handbook says otherwise. |
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andyburnett King
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Alex McFarlane wrote: | Playing time: 90 minutes for 40 moves plus 15 minutes for the rest of the game, with an increment of 30 seconds per move, starting from move one.
I don't want to be a wet blanket but the only acceptable time controls for title events are:
1.14 The tournament must be played by using one of the following rates of play:
90 minutes with 30 seconds cumulative increment for each move starting from first move
90 minutes for 40 moves + 30 minutes with 30 seconds cumulative increment for each move starting from the first move
100 minutes for 40 moves followed by 50 minutes for 20 moves, then 15 minutes for the remaining moves with 30 seconds cumulative increment for each move starting from first move
40 moves in 2 hours followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game
40 moves in 2 hours followed by 60 minutes for the rest of the game
40 moves in 2 hours followed by 20 moves in 1 hour followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game.
I know the entry form says that it is acceptable for title norms but the FIDE handbook says otherwise. |
So, we don't tell FIDE -Alan gets his well-deserved title and norm, and everyone who matters is happy - simple!
On a serious note, isn't the tournament time-control better than the 1st one mentioned by you in the FIDE regulations Alex? Or am I missing something again!?
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Alex McFarlane King
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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The tournament report must give the rate of play. It therefore requires the organisers to lie. I couldn't believe it when watching the game I saw the 15 minutes being added on.
It doesn't matter if the time control is better. Players were complaining about too many variations. The one minute increments common in England have been abandoned because of this regulation.
It won't affect his FM title but ......
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JR King
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a draw now, which is another great result, however looked like Alan might of missed a few chances to take the full point. 52.a5! looked winning as far as I can see, although black has a few tricks to watch out for. |
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Andy McCulloch King
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly I don't think my arithmetic of last night was correct. On looking again, his rating was 2285 +/- 1, and today will get him about 6 points. I think he needs to win tomorrow.
Another fine game though. |
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Craig Pritchett Queen
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Dear! Perhaps?! Who knows!?
Now I understand why the world seniors championship which I just played in was to the rate of "90 minutes for 40 moves + 30 minutes with 30 seconds cumulative increment for each move starting from the first move". This is one of the FIDE rates identified by Alex above as approved by Fide for title purposes.
It would seem incredibly remiss of the Rijeka organisers to change that "+30 minutes" to "+ 15 minutes". What on earth were they playing at ... assuming, of course, that Alex et al are correct on the Rijeka time control ... I haven't checked.
Still a great result though, and I presume the gained ELO points still count ... with Alan having a K factor of 15 (once a player goes over 2400 any time their K reduces to 10), he stands to gain rather a lot!
So still well done and, Alan, still stay focused in tomorrow's last round. |
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Andy McCulloch King
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at the organiser homepage, the event is described, in a circular, as being registered with Fide for rating and norms. The time control however is as Alex pointed out.
Reading the reports, Alan's performance has been noticed, and he has been mentioned on days 4 to 6. |
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Mike Scott King
Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 676 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | The surprise of the tournament is the Scottish player without a title and with a modest ELO rating of 2234 points,Alan Tate ,who also shares the second place with the performance of excellent 2685 points!
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From round 4 report. |
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Phil Thomas King
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Andy McCulloch wrote: | Looking at the organiser homepage, the event is described, in a circular, as being registered with Fide for rating and norms. The time control however is as Alex pointed out.
Reading the reports, Alan's performance has been noticed, and he has been mentioned on days 4 to 6. |
Like many readers I've been looking for results daily - often more frequently.
This had been a really superb performance by Alan - would be good for any of our GM's
Ref IM and GM norms.
If FIDE accepted tournament could give norms then should that acceptance not stand. If strictly speaking the event should not be valid for norms then lets not point it out for the world to read.
I suspect that detailed inspection of data in the public domain would reveal other tournaments awarding norms with time controls not on that FIDE list.
Surely this is one thread were we can be positive and celebrate some remarkable results.
And as for the intermittent suggestion that perhaps these games won't be FIDE rated - the mind BOGGLES. |
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admin Site Admin
Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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We have already had 1 Scot robbed of this before, it is Damn well not happening again |
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