Chess Scotland Noticeboard A place for chess nuts to boast over an open forum    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  English Deregister Non-Members Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next          Chess Scotland Noticeboard Forum Index -> General Chess Chat View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Alex McFarlane King Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 413 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: English Deregister Non-Members After much threats the English have deregistered all FIDE active players who do not have a current ECF membership. 80+ players including a GM now have no published rating. I'm not sure what effect this will have on players changing nationality. The admin fee involved in changing nationality with FIDE is equal to 10 years membership. Back to top A Muir King Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 489 Location: Dumbarton Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Matthew Turner has asked now to change his federation to Scotland based on Scottish grandparents. Something for AGM to discuss - this would affect scot champs & olympiad Back to top AMcHarg King Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 623 Location: Livingston, Scotland Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject: Who was it that wanted odds on Alan Tate being Scotland's next GM? I'm ready to do a deal now. Back to top Ian Jamieson Knight Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 18 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject: As I am sure Alex is aware, it is not just the admin fee involved. There may also be a transfer fee and compensation payable to the federation the player is transferring from. In Matthew Turner's case as a non-resident GM the transfer fee would be considerably more than the admin fee. The ECF have not asked for any compensation in the case of GM David Norwood who has recently transferred from England to Andorra. Back to top Ian McLachlan Rook Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 63 Location: Lanark Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject: Ian Jamieson wrote: As I am sure Alex is aware, it is not just the admin fee involved. There may also be a transfer fee and compensation payable to the federation the player is transferring from. In Matthew Turner's case as a non-resident GM the transfer fee would be considerably more than the admin fee. The ECF have not asked for any compensation in the case of GM David Norwood who has recently transferred from England to Andorra. Can the ECF require a transfer fee and/or compensation to be paid in respect of a player who is not a member of the ECF and is therefore not, strictly speaking, transferring from the ECF. Back to top Ian Jamieson Knight Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 18 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:32 am    Post subject: I think any transfer fee is payable to FIDE and is designed to deter players from playing under flags of convenience. Likewise I think the idea of any compensation is to compensate federations who may e.g. have invested heavily in a promising junior only for that junior to be poached by another federation. Whether the player is a member of the federation the player is transferring from is irrelevant. At the moment it's all hypothetical anyway since, as DMB has pointed out to me, Matthew Turner does not appear to meet CS's existing current policy of which players are eligible for Scotland - see http://www.chessscotland.com/international/elignational.htm Back to top A Muir King Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 489 Location: Dumbarton Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Matthew just wants the flag. He doesn't want to play for Scotland. He would also be ineligible to be Scottish champion. Is there any harm in him just having the flag to keep his ELO ? Back to top SteveHilton King Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 443 Location: Greenock Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Would this be a transfer under the BASMAN ruling!! Back to top Jacqui Thomas King Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 340 Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:21 pm    Post subject: If there is a way to do this for Matthew, Phil & I would support this 100% Matthew has given up his time (no fees charged) to be coach to the Scottish Junior Squad at the Glorney Festival 2009 & 2010 (he was planned to do it this year in Dublin too but due to unforeseen circumstances had to drop out). He was not only been a great coach to the players but we believe our other coaches that were in attendance at those events also benefitted from his coaching skills. Matthew has been a Chess Scotland member for a number of years. Back to top admin Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Grüße aus Deutschland I also agree with Jacqui and Phil. He has given his time for us, would it be wrong of us to give something back? I believe that applications like this should be taken on a case by case basis Back to top AMcHarg King Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 623 Location: Livingston, Scotland Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:24 am    Post subject: I don't get why the Fide fees are so much for this sort of thing. I'd rather buy a car than change Federation (if I was a GM)! They are only changing a wee flag on a screen and a couple of other things... Back to top JimWebster Rook Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 53 Location: You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike... Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: I would suggest that if the ECF have deregistered any player they they are effectively giving up any claim on that player and they are a free agent. No transfer and/or compensation should then applicable to, or by, the ECF. Back to top A Muir King Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 489 Location: Dumbarton Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:14 pm    Post subject: I would like to propose at the AGM that Matthew is allowed to adopt the CS flag so be FIDE registered as SCO Back to top admin Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Andy, Simple process, Propose it, find a seconder and mail me with the proposal. Simples Back to top JimWebster Rook Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 53 Location: You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike... Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:51 pm    Post subject: I'll second Andrew's proposal if necessary. 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