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Stuart Blyth · King Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 209

ok, have read an earlier post, which seems to explain some of the background.

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David Deary · Queen Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 98

I see that Matthew Turner has logged in. It would be interesting to get his viewpoint and the background to this.

However, I am still concerned that the timeframe before the AGM is tight and without a cast iron guarantee of the ECF not seeking compensation from CS I don't see how the Office Bearers can support this with the size of the compensation figures being banded about and the prospect of CS being liable. Surely as custodians this will be resolved before us members vote? If not I would suggest that an Extraordinary Meeting would be required to implement this when the question of compensation has been answered!

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

If the ECF want to charge us 10,000 Euros, We will charge them that every time they want to use Alex Mc Twisted Evil

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David Deary · Queen Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 98

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

David Deary · Queen Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 98

Stuart Blyth · King Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 209

Not sure if my ambiguous sentence lay behind Admin's comment that he was glad it had.

For clarity, I wasn't unhappy that discussion was taking place, but that such an important issue was being discussed if not everyone was fully informed regarding the background to M. Turner's non-membership of ECF. Maybe Admin can clarify if he'd picked me up in that way?

Matthew Turner · Pawn Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 4

Hello everbody, I hadn't appreciated that this thread was up and running and the login process required the assistance of Andy Howie in Germany. I am grateful for the support I've received from many contributors, but I also understand why some people would be suspicious of my motives. Hopefully this will clear some things up

I support Chess Scotland because I generally believe in what they are trying to do for Chess. There are a lot of hard working volunteers within Chess Scotland and I wish to support their efforts. I do have an emotional tie with Scotland and I love spending time there, particularly the Western Isles.
The ECF have decided to deregister me and I would very like to change my FIDE code to SCO. As I understand it this potentially involves three costs.

1. Notification Fee 250Euro. I want to mkae it absolutely clear that there is no question that Chess Scotland would pay this. This would be paid entirely by me.

2. Transfer Fee. This would apply if I was to represent Scotland in a FIDE event eg. Olympiad, European Individual (in the next two years). This will not apply because I would not be eligible to play for Scotland in the Olympiad and I would not wish to play in the Individual Championships.

3. Compensation Fee to the ECF. The ECF have set a precedent with David Norwood and the International Director has indicated that he is happy to waive the fee. However, I am still awaiting official confirmation on this.

Hope this helps.

David Deary · Queen Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 98

Alan Jelfs · Queen Joined: 31 Mar 2007 Posts: 81

Some questions:

Did CS have to pay Georgia compensation when Keti Arakhamia-Grant changed federation?

Did CS receive compensation when Jacob Aagaard changed federation (back) to Denmark?

I have just got my first FIDE rating, under the SCO flag.
I suppose I am now 'Scottish' for Chess purposes since I have been resident here for 23 years and I was married to a Scot for 28 years?
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AMcHarg · Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:10 am Post subject:

I think CS needs to do everything within its power to allow this transfer to go ahead, except pay the 10,000 Euro compensation (should it be asked for by the ECF), or the transfer fee (which Matthew has already advised is not required - see above for reasons). It's not that I think CS grudges the money, but that it simply doesn't have it to spare. I would be in favour of CS paying the 250 Euros though, but that's relatively small by comparison.

I do think that if Matthew switches Federation, then he should be allowed to play for Scotland (after 2 years to prevent the requirement of the transfer fee to Fide). Matthew said he has no intentions of playing in any of the above events, but I don't think that means that he wouldn't if he had the opportunity (or was asked)? It seems stupid that he should transfer and not be given the same rights as everyone else who is part of our Federation, especially considering (by all accounts) Matthew has done more for Chess in Scotland than the vast majority of Scottish players. It doesn't bother me that others might miss out because he has a place, he has earned it in my opinion. The added competition for places will also be very interesting, and it's a debate for another topic but I'd rather like to see performance in tournaments throughout the season be the governing factor over grade.

David Deary · Queen Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 98

Agreed. CS does not have the funds for it and it would be folly to approve this without official confirmation that the ECF will not seek it.

I’m sorry but this idea of contributing more to Chess in Scotland irritates me. 2 years of providing 5 days training to juniors does not necessary constitute doing more than the vast majority of players. All those involved in CS has a very insular view and just reject or ignore the amount of work put in by club players/officials/league secretaries etc. who have spent a lifetime contributing to Chess in Scotland. I really wish people would be more careful with what they say, I know of a great number of people who put in a hell of a lot of work that is disregarded continuously on this forum and members should be more careful before making sweeping statements.

Also I would wager that players who enter 6/7 congresses each year do a lot to keep Chess in Scotland going.

On the issue of Matthew playing for Scotland or for the Scottish Championship I believe there should be a residency clause to cover this to be honest. Also Matthew has stated he does not wish to play and until this changes the debate is immaterial.
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admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

Really? I think most of us are or have been Club Players, League officials etc