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Daniel Rocks · Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: Euro Youth in Italy - IMPORTANT

This article recently went up on chessbase, take a read for yourselves - in short, it suggests that the Championships are not legally allowed to be held in Italy as the result of a lawsuit and hence, will need to be rescheduled. I hope this will not have any repercussions for all those going on the trip:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5385

Regards.
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Daniel Rocks

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

Daniel,

Thanks for the link.

Phil is currently away on a course so I have picked this up for him. I have sent e-mails both to the organiser and the ECU for clarification of what this means as it is not entirely clear.

For anyone who has been selected for this who has not booked their flight, hold off for the next few days until we can get clarification of what is happening. I will be e-mailing those selected on Phil's behalf tonight.

Andy

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

I have received a reply from the ECU, they state that they are likely to lodge an appeal and that the three tournaments will take place as advertised.

Good news! So Mr Rocks, time to learn some Italian Wink

Mike Scott · King Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 676 Location: Edinburgh

Is it possible for chess scotland to formally communicate to the Turks along the lines that whatever the rights or wrongs of the case are it would be unacceptable an outcome for events to be cancelled or rescheduled. If they have the interests of junior chess at heart they should immediately re-assure the chess world that the existing events will go ahead.

If the event is moved and or rescheduled there will no doubt be many people who have already booked flights and arranged holidays that may not then be able to re-schedule or re-claim their costs and will not be able to attend the new event.

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

The law suit was raised way back in 2007. It has just been seen by the courts (don't you just love the speedy wheels of justice).

The ECU have given us there assurance that the tournament is going ahead So it should be business as ususal

Daniel Rocks · Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject:

Andy,

With the greatest respect, I really think the assurances of the ECU should be taken with a bit of scepticism - after all, they're the ones who got people into this mess in the first place! As much as I disagree with the actions of the GREEDY Turkish Chess Federation (they hosted the World U21 last year to my knowledge), the lawsuit did unfortunately rule in their favour. Despite your email from the ECU official, this segment of the TCF president's open letter is worrying:

Mike Scott · King Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 676 Location: Edinburgh

I agree with Rocks - we need to let the TCF know our position now.

It is possible that the appeals are not lodged, we just don't know. Further more the uncertainty around whether the event will go ahead is bound to be an issue both for participants and the organisers. I can image the organisers must have some concerns regarding the viability of the event and again it is entirely plausible that the very uncertainty itself could cause the event to be delayed/cancelled.

While I doubt whether we alone can make any difference but if we are one of many voices it might just do some good.

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

Guys,

Calm please

The ECU are talking about appealing against the decision. That appeal takes time, because of this we have assurances that the event is not in jeopardy and will be taking place. The appeal will not be heard before the event ergo the event is on

The Sec General answered my enquiry first thing this morning, I'll wager they will have e-mails from delegates all over Europe this morning asking for clarification. We are not the only ones asking questions.

The key here is patience.

If there is any communication from CS to the TCF, it will come from the management board, not the Junior board.

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

Daniel.

The open letter also calls for an EGM and for all the board to resign. I have the Open letter as I was on the recipients list.

Remember there are 2 sides to every story, we have heard the TCF so far. lets hear what the ECU have to say about it.

Mike Scott · King Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 676 Location: Edinburgh

Andy,
"Calm please"??? Who is not calm?

Okay they have said they will appeal but what happens if in two months time they change their minds, and its all up in the air again? We would simply have lost two months. It would not be the first time that someone vows to keep fighting in the immediate aftermath of a lost case only to quietly accept the result later.

I see now harm in communicating our concerns to the TCF. We would be in a more secure position if we knew, irrespective of what happens with regards appeals , that the event was on.

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/kutin-vs-yazici-not-justice-but-chaos-prevails/

Interesting slant on it.

The ECU president is going to be commenting on this. As I have already said in an earlier post, if there is going to be a comment sent from CS, it will come from the Management Board and not the Junior board, this affects both adult and junior chess. We can debate it endlessly here on the noticeboard but it is not going to change the situation. We can only go by the assurances we have from the organisers (who have invested large sums of money in running this event) and the ECU

Mike Scott · King Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 676 Location: Edinburgh

Yes that article does some it up.

Just another concern - so we are able to attend the event and our players do well but the appeal is lost and by the sounds of it the results will be declared null and void.

admin · Site Admin Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 1386

I can really see FIDE go for that!

Phil Thomas · King Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 758

Just got back from the airport,

Andy,
thanks for covering in my absence, not much I need to add. Key point is already made that CS management board will decide how to pursue the matter abroad after internal consultations.

For some reason I can only open up the Lausanne court's verdict in French. I can't be bothered with babelfish at this time of night but if I read it right the ECU has 10 days from 22 April to decide whether to appeal or not. If they do so I suggest that a chance of a verdict this year is minimal.

My reading is that I expect the Fermo tournament to go ahead as planned - unless swine 'flu becomes the worst outbreak since 1918.

At this time of night I guess the best way to sign off has to be

Buona notte
(tutti)

PS Strikes me as ironic that influenza is derived from the Italian word for influence. It remains to be seen how much influence Scotland and other European nations can have.