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JimWebster
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Why don't we simply fall in line with other organisations national criteria, for example FIFA, who state (slightly modified):
| Quote: | | The eligibility criteria governing a player who could play for one of the home associations are his place of birth, or the place of birth of either of his biological parents or any of his four biological grandparents – with one exception. That is the case of a player educated for a minimum of five years under the age of 18 “in the territory of the relevant association”. |
Seems, simple, straightforward and rather unambiguous to me. I'm sure other organisations have very similar versions of this.
We could also propose to get the other home chess associations to look at this and maybe even adopt a common approach. |
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David Deary
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| JimWebster wrote: | Why don't we simply fall in line with other organisations national criteria, for example FIFA, who state (slightly modified):
| Quote: | | The eligibility criteria governing a player who could play for one of the home associations are his place of birth, or the place of birth of either of his biological parents or any of his four biological grandparents – with one exception. That is the case of a player educated for a minimum of five years under the age of 18 “in the territory of the relevant association”. |
Seems, simple, straightforward and rather unambiguous to me. I'm sure other organisations have very similar versions of this.
We could also propose to get the other home chess associations to look at this and maybe even adopt a common approach. |
I don't think I would follow the route of FIFA or the SFA. FIFA is probably the only professional body on the planet more corrupt than FIDE. 
In addition, hasn't the scottish national football team's performance gotten worse since we brought in the granparentage rule? 
Also if we are going down the route of extending the eligibility to grandparents this cannot be decided at the next AGM. In my view this requires some considerable consultation and thought. As in my view a grandparentage rule needs to be tempered with a residency clause.
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A Muir
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| who are the cs lawyers who will be drawing up the water-tight rules ? |
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Alex McFarlane
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| Quote: | | who are the cs lawyers who will be drawing up the water-tight rules ? |
Andy,
It is the duty of anyone proposing a motion, if they wish it to have any chance of success, to make sure that it is neither open to misinterpretation nor to being applied in a haphazard manner. Hopefully there is no need for lawyers. Lawyers only get involved when poorly formulated motions are passed and then challenged.
There are occasions when an AGM or SGM may accept a motion in principle and thereafter find a form of wording that is not open to abuse or ridicule.
It seems likely from the comments here that your motion would not come into that category.
If your motion is passed it would be incumbent on a responsible Management Board to draw up a set of criteria for its implementation to avoid accusations of favouritism or bias (and possibly even discrimination). My personal feeling is that it is the duty of anyone proposing a motion to produce such guidelines in advance.
If this has been done then please accept my apologies but explain why these guidelines have not been published. If it has not been done then anticipate that I will be voting against the proposal not because of the individual involved but because I think your proposal is flawed.
I believe there is an expression “Hard cases make bad law” which is used by the legal profession. Its meaning is that a particularly unpleasant case is a poor basis for a general law which would cover a wider range of less extreme cases. |
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A Muir
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: |
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there doesn't seem to be a motion for 2012 scot champion playing in olympiad - 2010 team plays again in 2012 guys ?
can't make AGM - family commitments - birth of twins to sister -Michael Hanley gets my proxy
hope discussion interesting |
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Stuart Blyth
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From what I can pick up on this forum, there are pretty powerful arguments against adopting the motion as it stands.
On the one hand, we have genuine and realistic concerns about the proposed change:
It's being carried out too hastily
It's a response to a specific set of specific/unusual circumstances
No one knows quite how it will operate in the future
On top of this (from what Craig, I think, has been saying), it may not even be necessary to change the constitution for this individual case.
I'm basing this simply on what has appeared on the forum/noticeboard. |
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Angus McDonald
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As no criteria are being put forward I'd like to suggest the following
'Scottish Chess Citizenship Test'
1. How many miles would you proclaim to walk to get to a Scottish Chess Tournament?
2. Can you name the last 5 Scottish (cough) Chess Champions?
3. How do you pronounce Milngavie?
4. What is the origin of The Isle of Lewis Chess pieces?
5. Who was Scotland's first Grand Master chess player?
6. Who was the last Queen of Scotland?
7. What is Parliamo Glasgae?
8. Can you say It's a braw bricht moonlit nicht the nicht?
9. Who was the last Scot to win The British Championships?
10. How much is Scottish Nationality worth to you?
Help ma boab
I've failed the test!
I'll get ma coat 
gens una sumus |
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Alan Jelfs
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gens una sumus |
Does that translate into Scottish as "we arra peepul" ?
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Angus McDonald
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It is ofcourse fide's motto as I'm sure you were aware.
My use of it is more my personal expression that in the 21st century as the world gets smaller and we are all pushed closer together we are all more interrelated than ever before and that it will become more and more evident that we (the people of the world) are one family.
As a youngster I cried watching the closing ceremony of the Tokyo Olympic Games as I saw all the young people of the world joyfully celebrating together. I think they were quite joyful tears.
Allthough the Olympic ideal is somewhat tarnished by 'cheats' that ideal will never die for me and I firmly believe a United World will come to be.
Perhaps I can get away with this thought on a Sunday! |
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