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MDuke
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| I assume a 0 has been missed somewhere - surely there can't be this much fuss about £6? |
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HughBrechin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Yup.
It's been said before by a number of people, but competitive chess is really an astonishingly cheap leisure pursuit. Compared to, say, football, where I get just under two hours' entertainment: if I go to a game at Glebe Park, a ticket costs £12, which is more than an allegro. A ticket to Ibrox costs £25, which is more than a weekender. Entry fees to chess tournaments could go up a fair bit without really affecting this comparison.
If that's the way people have to go to compensate for diminishing funding, it's at least understandable. Most expenses associated with chess tournaments are things like transport and accommodation costs, which isn't going to change. |
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robin moore
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Hugh is of course correct when highlighting that travel and accomodation costs entail most of the overall expense, but with petrol prices particularly as they are, that extra £6 for every Scottish player may be the decider on whether to play a tournament in England or not. Besides, I would have thought you would have needed to use your whole season ticket to get 2 hours entertainment at Glebe Park. |
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HughBrechin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd argue with that, but I'm still struggling with having watched Brechin shut up shop for the last 30 minutes while 3-2 up against a ten-man Dumbarton side. (They scored a free-kick with the last kick of the game.) |
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JR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Congresses want to be charging anymore than £25 for a weekend event or they risk losing a lot of participants.
As for entry fees in England.. well who really cares, very few Scots play in England anyway and the few that do are not going to care about an extra few £'s when they are already spending a lot on travel and accomodation.
Just look at the entry fee for the British Championships, has to be the worst value for money of any chess event ever. No idea why anyone would want to pay £200+ to play a few games of chess. And I heard they don't even pay the arbiters, so I wonder where all the money is going? Maybe on appearance fees for Short and Adams! |
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David Deary
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| HughBrechin wrote: | Yup.
It's been said before by a number of people, but competitive chess is really an astonishingly cheap leisure pursuit. Compared to, say, football, where I get just under two hours' entertainment: if I go to a game at Glebe Park, a ticket costs £12, which is more than an allegro. A ticket to Ibrox costs £25, which is more than a weekender. Entry fees to chess tournaments could go up a fair bit without really affecting this comparison.
If that's the way people have to go to compensate for diminishing funding, it's at least understandable. Most expenses associated with chess tournaments are things like transport and accommodation costs, which isn't going to change. |
I don't know if I quite agree with you. I think tournament fees over the last 10 years have risen above the rate of inflation. Well before the recession at any rate. Although in truth I dont know.
I also don't believe football is particularly good value for money or a good benchmark. I will be at a rain ridden Somerset Park tonight watching the mighty Ayr United in the north terracing (with no roof) against Calley Thistle and I need to pay £15 for the privilege. Value for money - I think not! Its almost as expensive as the Cinema. 
Also for those of you suggesting that £6 is not a great deal of money that is really down to personal circumstances. For a millionaire maybe not but for a part time worker or a family, who play chess and have to pay a surcharge many times its a bit different.
I have always believed that cost should not be a deciding factor over whether someone can play chess or not. However, I think more generally we are beginning to sail close to the wind in tournament fees & membership fees and risk pricing people out of the game.
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robin moore
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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David Deary wrote,
| Quote: | | Also for those of you suggesting that £6 is not a great deal of money that is really down to personal circumstances. For a millionaire maybe not but for a part time worker or a family, who play chess and have to pay a surcharge many times its a bit different. |
David and Daniel Deary, Gary and young David Gillespie and myself played at the South Lakes congress at Grange-over-Sands in June. I am a part-time worker, family wise David pays for Daniel and Gary pays for David. So David and Gary would have to stump up an extra £12 and me £6, £30 in total. Believe me, it will have a bearing on whether we go there in the future which is a shame because we love that tournament and it's not the organiser's fault. |
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Ian Jamieson
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Andy,
| Quote: | | Adam has confirmed for a FIDE tournament it is the £1.50 fee for the CS (or other national members). For graded tournaments it is £6.00 for non-members of the ECF |
Given all FIDE tournaments under the auspices of ECF will also be graded by the ECF doesn't this mean that it will be
- £6 for graded but non-FIDE rated tournaments
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- £7.50 for graded and FIDE rated tournaments? |
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robin moore
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Adam,
Can you clarify how this would affect the entry price at Gibraltar? It is rated as an ECF and Fide event. |
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MDuke
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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The cost of travelling from Scotland to any of the English tournaments has risen more than £6 in the past year. Chess is incredibly cheap and I don't believe the cost puts off many people, what alternative activity can they do for less? Sit at home and watch TV? Well, not Sky anyway, a month costs more than a years membership to most clubs. I'm quite sure the entry fee for Blackpool is higher than any Scottish weekender, it hasn't discouraged people from travelling there.
It's not like you can't play chess for free or very little, there's still league games, casual club games and of course the internet. If you expect good conditions with a governing body that can actually do something, you should expect to pay for it. |
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David Deary
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| MDuke wrote: | The cost of travelling from Scotland to any of the English tournaments has risen more than £6 in the past year. Chess is incredibly cheap and I don't believe the cost puts off many people, what alternative activity can they do for less? Sit at home and watch TV? Well, not Sky anyway, a month costs more than a years membership to most clubs. I'm quite sure the entry fee for Blackpool is higher than any Scottish weekender, it hasn't discouraged people from travelling there.
It's not like you can't play chess for free or very little, there's still league games, casual club games and of course the internet. If you expect good conditions with a governing body that can actually do something, you should expect to pay for it. |
Hahaha... I almost fell off my chair!
Just because you declare everyone can afford chess they can? Try telling that to someone unemployed - Oooh btw £6 isn't a lot of money or £20 + to play a weekender. 
Ludicrous - once again you are comparing chess to activities which are not like for like. Comparing chess to football is not like for like or sky for that matter.
The cost of chess is increasing and I believe any further and I would consider not playing as many weekenders. When I pay for mine and my brothers entry fee for a weekender there isn't much change from £50. Although I'm comforted to know that isn't a lot of money for you Mr Duke.
Although on the second part of your post are you actually suggesting that those on low incomes or unemployed shouldn't be able to play weekenders due to finance but can play casually instead or just in the league?
I would expect a governing body I pay for to subsidise those on lower incomes rather than for good conditions as you put it. If the conditions aren't good - I dont play. 
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MDuke
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I didn't say it wasn't a lot of money for me, but hey, if you can't argue with what I said, why not make stuff up?
I said it's not a lot of money compared to any other activity. I see you provided a list of things you can do for £25/weekend. Oh, you didn't. |
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robin moore
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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MDuke wrote..
| Quote: | | If you expect good conditions with a governing body that can actually do something, you should expect to pay for it. |
Errm..what exactly do you mean by this? |
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David Deary
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| MDuke wrote: | I didn't say it wasn't a lot of money for me, but hey, if you can't argue with what I said, why not make stuff up?
I said it's not a lot of money compared to any other activity. I see you provided a list of things you can do for £25/weekend. Oh, you didn't. |
I see you selectively decided to ignore the second part of my post. Pot calling the kettle black much? 
I love the chessscotland noticeboard. 
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MDuke
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| David Deary wrote: | | MDuke wrote: | I didn't say it wasn't a lot of money for me, but hey, if you can't argue with what I said, why not make stuff up?
I said it's not a lot of money compared to any other activity. I see you provided a list of things you can do for £25/weekend. Oh, you didn't. |
I see you selectively decided to ignore the second part of my post. Pot calling the kettle black much?
I love the chessscotland noticeboard. |
Still no suggestions of alternative activities. I'm sure you'll think of some! I selectively ignored your post from the point you decided to put words in my mouth. Try and reply to what I actually said and not what you pretend I said and I'll bother to read your entire post. |
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