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Jacqui Thomas
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 Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:38 pm Post subject: Primary Team Championships |
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Results
P5 & under
1st Lawhead (St Andrews)
2nd St John The Baptist (Uddingston)
3rd Bishopton
Primary
1st Sciennes (Edinburgh)
2nd Balloch (Inverness)
3rd Jordanhill
Disappointing turn out with Edinburgh only represented by two schools as nobody advised us until recently that it is their school holiday although event been advertised since last year. Likewise only two from Lanarkshire because of the cup final.
However, close fought tournament for the top teams in both sections. |
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Mike Scott
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hi J.
As most school club organisers do not look very far ahead for events, to blame potential entrants seems a bit unfair.
The holiday dates are published well in advanced and could easily be checked by event organisers.
Not sure how this event was advertised other than through the CS calander - I am not involved anymore with JGPS so not sure if there was any direct contact to market it to the schools themselves? |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Hi Mike,
There is enough to do organising multiple large events without looking up holiday dates in every area of the country. It was unfortunate though that nobody in the Edinburgh area told us that Edinburgh schools were on holiday.
Information needs to flow in all directions, rather than have organisers parade across the notice board vision like ducks at a fairground. It would help everyone if spectators scored points in their head by their positive contributions made in advance.
There are times when precognition drops below perfection level. Fortunately potential disruption to UK airspace during July caused by the latest Icelandic volcanic eruption was foreseen and the Glorney squad will be travelling to Dublin by coach and ferry. |
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Stuart Blyth
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Mike Scott
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Phil,
I use the following link to check term dates:-
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2010/02/termdates2010
It contains all the dates for all of Scotland and no doubt there will be one for 2011-12 as well. And can be check quite quickly.
Not sure if there is anything similar for the footie.
Personally I am rarely aware of when exactly the half term dates are much in advance except when I am checking for a specific reason e.g. regarding scheduling an event or if I have a holiday scheduled.
I suspect that most people, unless specifically asked to check the date, would only notice any clash quite late in the day: as what happened this time. Which is the point I made before.
I am not trying here to score points, was just responding to explain why no-one highlighted the clash until too late so hopefully it does not happen again. If you want local organisers to help or get involved the you need only ask. |
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Jacqui Thomas
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think this will be a good time to raise some proposals :-
I propose
a) Primary Team goes back to having area qualifiers
b) Ideally the qualifiers should be held in one of the areas schools during school time
c) the local area qualifier should be run by a local area co-oordinator or more to the point volunteer
d) I do not think areas should be restricted to only one qualifier if there is enough demand to hold more as some host schools may be resticted on capacity at any one time
e) FINALS - I do not think it would be necessary to hold quarter or semi finals but have everyone qualify for the finals. Ideally the finals should be held at a central location & if at all possible on a school day
f) If it was felt that the qualifiers needed to be held at weekends it would have an impact on entry fees as these would need to be significantly increased to cover venue hire - likewise a reasonable entry fee would need to be charged to cover the cost of the FINALS venue if at weekend as well as the cost of trophies & awards. as these events should be self sufficient.
I suggest the proposals as above because of the decline in Primary team chess. Apart from date clashes there does seem to be a major decline of chess in schools this year. East Renfewshire normally have the Primary team event during this time of year & after running for 32years it is not on this year to to lack of interest!! We all know its important to start at grass roots & we need to focus on this once more. From my observations this year the only consistent activity is in Lanarkshire & that is where Michael is regularly going into schools as coach. The Lanarkshire Primary Schools Team Championships League had 38 teams take part. National finals last weekend had 21 teams take part of which 3 came from Inverness, 1 from Oban, 4 from schools not known on the circuit. The good news is that we have retained more Secondary aged children this year.
I hope you will all think about the proposals & please feel free to argue the points but please be aware it is for you to decide as I am stepping out of any event organising for both juniors & adults, Chess Scotland & SJC. |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Stuart Blyth wrote: | | I make that about 3-1 |
Fairgrond Ducks playing various sharp lines of Sicilian.
Kalashnikov this time. |
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Mike Scott
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | propose
a) Primary Team goes back to having area qualifiers
b) Ideally the qualifiers should be held in one of the areas schools during school time
c) the local area qualifier should be run by a local area co-oordinator or more to the point volunteer
d) I do not think areas should be restricted to only one qualifier if there is enough demand to hold more as some host schools may be resticted on capacity at any one time
e) FINALS - I do not think it would be necessary to hold quarter or semi finals but have everyone qualify for the finals. Ideally the finals should be held at a central location & if at all possible on a school day
f) If it was felt that the qualifiers needed to be held at weekends it would have an impact on entry fees as these would need to be significantly increased to cover venue hire - likewise a reasonable entry fee would need to be charged to cover the cost of the FINALS venue if at weekend as well as the cost of trophies & awards. as these events should be self sufficient.
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a.Qualifiers
Agreed, provided that a suitable system can be agreed. One advantage of having qualifiers (apart from more chess for the teams) is that it raises the events profile and helps market it.
b. Qualifier Venue/Timing
I would agree that ideally they should be held during school time, however this may not be practical where the club is run by a parent and has no direct school involvement as this would require the parent to take time off work. Would suggest that this be left to local organiser to worry about - as per the Scotsman Cup for secondaries at the moment.
It is possible that the qualifier could be run in parallel with an exisiting event, thereby saving costs/times and getting teams involved who might not otherwise take part.
c.Local organiser
Agreed.
d.Number of qualifiers per area
This was a problem in the past and needs some careful thought: there needs to be some mechanism for weighting the number of qualifiers from an area based both on the number of teams involved and the strength of those teams. I appreciate that this is easier said than done but it is surely essential that as many of the strongest teams get to be in the final?
e. Finals
Agreed - no need for semi finals - one big final has a good buzz about it.
f. Costs
Some discussion here required as to how best to structure the entry fee in the event that the qualifier is being organised and paid for locally. Presumably the local organiser would be entitled to a % of the entry fee?
Or could it work like the Land Challenge whereby participants pay to play in each stage of the competions, with the organisers of each stage passing on a certain % of the entry fees on to the centre?
With regards participation in general we have seen some new schools show an interest but not actually appearing to play on the league days. Consequently we have also seen a disappointing drop in the number of schools taking part. |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Jacqui Thomas wrote: | I think this will be a good time to raise some proposals :-
I propose
a) Primary Team goes back to having area qualifiers
b) Ideally the qualifiers should be held in one of the areas schools during school time
c) the local area qualifier should be run by a local area co-oordinator or more to the point volunteer
d) I do not think areas should be restricted to only one qualifier if there is enough demand to hold more as some host schools may be resticted on capacity at any one time
e) FINALS - I do not think it would be necessary to hold quarter or semi finals but have everyone qualify for the finals. Ideally the finals should be held at a central location & if at all possible on a school day
f) If it was felt that the qualifiers needed to be held at weekends it would have an impact on entry fees as these would need to be significantly increased to cover venue hire - likewise a reasonable entry fee would need to be charged to cover the cost of the FINALS venue if at weekend as well as the cost of trophies & awards. as these events should be self sufficient.
I suggest the proposals as above because of the decline in Primary team chess. Apart from date clashes there does seem to be a major decline of chess in schools this year. East Renfewshire normally have the Primary team event during this time of year & after running for 32years it is not on this year to to lack of interest!! We all know its important to start at grass roots & we need to focus on this once more. From my observations this year the only consistent activity is in Lanarkshire & that is where Michael is regularly going into schools as coach. The Lanarkshire Primary Schools Team Championships League had 38 teams take part. National finals last weekend had 21 teams take part of which 3 came from Inverness, 1 from Oban, 4 from schools not known on the circuit. The good news is that we have retained more Secondary aged children this year.
I hope you will all think about the proposals & please feel free to argue the points but please be aware it is for you to decide as I am stepping out of any event organising for both juniors & adults, Chess Scotland & SJC. |
Following on from Jacqui's post - quoted in full above. I will not be simply taking over events from Jacqui.There is going to be a major planned reduction in chess administration from this household in season 2011 to 2012.
Specifically
West of Scotland moves to David Congalton's Prestwick Congress wherever it is held.
Glasgow congress moves back to Glasgow league mancom.
I stepped down from Glasgow league mancom in Tuesday evening
Megafinal West Jacqui hopes to still co-ordinate.
Primary Team - becomes a matter for the Chess Scotland agm
I intend to step down as IJD at the Chess Scotland agm in August. Events already in planning I will see through to completion - that substantial list does not include the Liverpool Quadrangular on December 9 to 11. |
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