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Mike Scott
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| K. win, Short & Adam draw, C. win |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Denham wrote: | "brilliant clocks. well the DGT XL is anyway -its particularly good since it adds on time before reaching 0 "
WELL SAID GRAEME!!
Any clock which adds time on in a way which simulates the way time was added on mechanically (i.e AT the time control) has to be a good thing. Admin and I had a chat with Phil Thomas about this the other week and I find it hard to believe that so many clocks on the market DON'T replicate the analogue way of adding time on. |
The clocks here are not set to do that (and we are using the XL's), the reason for it is the clocks are not to be used to count moves (as per FIDE rules). As I said to Paul and Phil last week, that is fine for a top class FIDE tournament but for us lesser mortals where we don't have 1 arbiter every 2 boards, I for one would like the time being added when the correct number of moves are played. I now think I may have been hasty in my assessment when considering introducing additions.
Watching the incredible game with Nigel Short last night, I realised why they do this. At the end of the second period of play, I believe about 100 moves had been made each. Had they been set for time kicking in on move 60 then an extra 30 minutes would have been on the clock. I now understand fully how this works and I know know how we can set these up for incremental time controls if we wanted to bring them in for congresses and league matches.
If we use the method of the clocks are set to change on move 30, then have an addition, this means we are in danger of games going on for ages.
If we use the method of the time control changing when one player has gone over the Initial time control (say 45 mins for a league match), this would allow us to have an additional 15 minutes + 20 seconds a move. Looking at this, and assuming the worst case of the players hit 30 moves in 45 mins, this would leave time for and additional 45 moves before we would go over time.
Change it to a 15 second addition and that gives you and additional 60
It is now feasible to a have a time control using additions in league chess.
What are the benefits? No more draw claims (which given the confusion of 10.2 can only be a good thing). A person who should win a game but has the problem of no time left can now do it!!
The only drawback I can see is it would mean that all clubs would need Digital clocks, although if leagues started to bring it in, I would like to think they had a dual time control, one for Digital and one for Analogue!
Anyway, back to work, I have boards to set up (pity Alex, he has tables to move!!) |
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sigrun
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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i was listening to the analysis on icc - It often happens in GM analysis that they don't stay to talk about the endgames - of course they said good bye long before Carslon & Howell were finished - looking forward to listen to Andrew Martin on icc tomorrow
& did you all see Ali Roy on the front page? You have to scroll down to see her pic.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Caption competition (for a bit of fun).....
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Paul Denham
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddy Power pays out early on winner of 2010 Gurning Competition |
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Duncan Grassie
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| "What's that gillette, you need a chessplayer to replace tiger woods as the morally acceptable face of your brand?" |
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Paul Denham
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Unrelated to the caption competition.
How Crap does the FIDE World Cup look now that it has reached its climax - look at today's chessbase article and the "press conference". The parallel's between it and the London Chess Classic are very very telling.
For me this and the whole Grand Prix Debacle show just how badly FIDE has lost it's way in organising quality and meaningful events for the world's top players.
The nonense which started when Campomanes got in continued by the Curse of Kirsan and which has lasted most of my life continues to this day.
Such a shame that some of the break-away groups Kasparov, Bessel Kok etc haven't made more of the game.
That said the best events are most definately non-FIDE events so I think it is about time we still have a Classical World Champion but that it is organised by some body other than FIDE!
What has FIDE ever given Chess in Scotland????????????  |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Paul,
On of Malcom Pein's aims with this tournament was to put London back onto the chess map and to try and move large chess events back onto the stages of the worlds major cities.
If you were a member of the Chess press, where would you rather be? Freezing your nether regions off in Khanty- Mansiysk (and yes I did have to look up the spelling of it!) or here in London watching 2 of the top players in the world give a masterclass on how chess should be played??
I know where I would rather be!
Each day we have had a couple of Schools here in the mornings. We have invited them on to the stage with the boards live so they can experience what it is like to be Magnus Carlsen etc. The looks on their faces has made it well worth not having a lie in each morning  |
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JR
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul Denham wrote: | Unrelated to the caption competition.
How Crap does the FIDE World Cup look now that it has reached its climax - look at today's chessbase article and the "press conference". The parallel's between it and the London Chess Classic are very very telling.
For me this and the whole Grand Prix Debacle show just how badly FIDE has lost it's way in organising quality and meaningful events for the world's top players.
The nonense which started when Campomanes got in continued by the Curse of Kirsan and which has lasted most of my life continues to this day.
Such a shame that some of the break-away groups Kasparov, Bessel Kok etc haven't made more of the game.
That said the best events are most definately non-FIDE events so I think it is about time we still have a Classical World Champion but that it is organised by some body other than FIDE!
What has FIDE ever given Chess in Scotland???????????? |
Probably due to the location of the event, it is in the middle of nowhere.
I think the Olympiad next year is being held there as well... what a great decision. 
FIDE has done nothing for chess in Scotland, infact FIDE is doing everything possible to make chess even less attractive to amateur players by the introduction of ridiculous rules. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Just a heads up. Anyone watching this tomorrow, the games start at 12:00 not 14:00 |
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Clement Sreeves
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| There is the interesting situation that McShane (+2 =1 -3) has 7 points, while Adams and Howell (=6) have only 6 points. With the normal scoring system McShane would have 2.5 and Adams and Howell 3. Personally I think this is a great way of doing it since it is very difficult to win games at such a high level and should be rewarded accordingly. Any thoughts? |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Back to caption competition
I bet Nigel Short doesn't drink Carling Black Label |
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Paul Denham
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Clement,
I agree its an interesting way to score the game.
I think it could work quite well in League Chess too where each board would get 3 for a win 1 for a draw and 0 for a defeat. It would certainly make people strive to win games or exhaust the possibilities of a position a bit more.
The overall match points could go 3, 1, 0 as well.
Could also work in some club's internal competitions too.
If the scoring replicated on of the biggest SPORTS in the world (football), could it go some (small) way to non-chess people seeing our game as having a sufficiently strong sporting element to be called a SPORT?????
I think you should start a new topic for the whole 3,1,0 points system... it would be well worth it.
I am off to start one on "What has FIDE ever given chess in Scotland?" |
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JR
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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I can't agree with the scoring system because it punishes hard fought draws and a draw is the natural result when two players of equal or similar strength play each other.
Football and Chess are two completely different games and I don't think the 3 1 0 system works for chess.
The system was used at Glenrothes for a number of years and I think the general consensus was that it was not a popular system. |
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Craig Pritchett
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Have to agree ... and perhaps thanks be to Fide ... who haven't given us this one yet!!
Makes more sense to "ban" draws (if they must be banned - debate) by requiring sudden death Blitz games (with reversed colours after say a 10 minute break) until any drawn game at regular time rates in a tournament can be resolved into a win / loss ...
Anyone ever thought of that one? |
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