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Phil Thomas
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Minutes Reply with quote

Does any one know when the minutes of the CS Scotland meeting in February will be published on the website?

In order to improve the communication route between CS officers and CS members I recommend that it should an objective of the CS management to have the minutes published within 7- 10 days of the meeting.

In order to facilitate this target I have a second proposal. I propose that this era of superfast internet communcations that CS should create a new post. The post of SECRETARY.

An important post in any major organisation. In order to give the post the high profile it deserves it should be ratified at the agm using the same electoral processes as the CS management board.

Would my second proposal require modification of the CS constitution? If so what would be the protocol for making this change?
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SteveHilton
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil,
The full copy of the minutes will be available by the end of the week.
I am waiting on those directors who have submitted reports to check they are correct before I put them on the web. My tapes have taken a while to decipher and so because of my disabilities it has taken a lot longer than I would have liked. I will send you a draught copy of the minutes if you so wish
Best Wishes
Stephen
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Phil Thomas
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen,
Thank you for your offer to let me have a draft copy of the minutes. As a paid up member of CS who holds no elected office I think it inappropriate that I should receive a draft version before issue. As the chair of SJC it might be deemed appropriate but as you will be aware that would be widely construed as a major policy shift by the CS management team.

By now you may be aware that there have been some acrimonious exchanges recently between myself and both Chris Hampton and Angus McDonald. The reason for is twofold.

(1) I was informed by Angus McDonald that he was about to become the International Director (Junior). This despite there being no information released to the Chess Scotland membership to the effect that the position was vacant. Even today the clearest indication I have that Donna has resigned comes from phone calls I received from Angus.

(2) Major attacks on my cores beliefs (right to free speech and in particular my perceived right as a paid up member to question aspects of CS management policy on the CS noticeboard). In particular my posting on the first day of May when in response to mate64 I posted.

START OF PHIL THOMAS POSTING (MAY 1)
[quote="mate64"]Perhaps Scottish chess players could learn something from the current ECF debate. With the decline in the popularity of chess in the UK it is inevitable that CS/SJC must be facing similar problems to the English.

Are you predicting mass resignations in Scotland?

I don't see the similarity between the England and Scotland situations. In England there is much debate surrounding the bequest by John Robinson which with investment interest is apparently approaching £1,000,000.
In Scotland we are all eagerly awaiting the latest funding update from the SJCA trust.

END OF PHIL THOMAS POSTING (MAY 1)

The reply from Angus was extreme and he has now edited it down to “I don't know what everyone in Scotland is eagerly awaiting” However the original version is applicable here. I was told that I was wrong to mention the consultants report and a failed application for external funding. As most of the members of CS realise the business of applying for funds is a continuous and ongoing process. It can not be described by an anodyne phrase such as “ the application was turned down” .

Returning to my original point concerning release to me of a draft copy of the minutes. Selective release of information can be controversial. As a prime example I think it would be generally beneficial here if you can explain how Angus became aware of the impending vacancy for International Director (Junior). I suspect that this happened through his attending the CS meeting in February. Until the minutes are published I don’t even have a full list of those who attended.

Best Wishes Steve and thank you for your swift and polite response to my recent posting.

Phil
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SteveHilton
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil,
Many thanks for your reply.
I would say as Gen Sec, that any member of CS is entitled to ask an official of the organisation for a copy of the minutes and is entitled to see them.
I was the person who told Gus that the position of IJD was available and I asked him if he would consider it. I did this because given that there are events in July, there was a need of urgency to try and fill this position quickly. The position would have been an interim one anyway until the AGM in August when the membership of Chess Scotland would decide. Angus said he would consider this after consultation. I am sure you understand that this was done with the best of intentions

Donna did not resign at the February meeting of council. She sent her apologies to this meeting. Donna did not resign until April and so there was some urgency about trying to fill the post on an interim basis.

I thank you once again for your reply
Best Wishes
Steve Hilton
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guiaman
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The reply from Angus was extreme and he has now edited it down to “I don't know what everyone in Scotland is eagerly awaiting” However the original version is applicable here. I was told that I was wrong to mention the consultants report and a failed application for external funding. As most of the members of CS realise the business of applying for funds is a continuous and ongoing process. It can not be described by an anodyne phrase such as “ the application was turned down” .




Phil,

(i) When you say the reply from Angus was 'extreme' that is only your opinion.

(ii) It is a total misrepresentation of my post, Perhaps Andy can bring back the unedited post?, to say that I said you were wrong to mention the consultants report or failed application for funding. Nothing even nearly equating to that was in my post. ( I edited the post as I didn't really want to point the finger at others in quite the same manner that certain others have been pointing the finger at some Chess Scotland officials).
Please don't misrepresent me.

(iv) As for interim positions being offered in pressing situations.
There are precedents to that. I think i.e. that the appointment of a new noticeboard moderator was not advertised. As it is I no longer wish to take The Junior International Director on an interim basis. Perhaps as the notice board moderator is now standing for election for Home Junior Director he should withdraw from being notice board moderator. I would like to stand for that position. I would remove anonimity for the sake of Chess Scotland not because of false ideas about democracy, i.e, Anonimous people can't vote! but because of the possible legal implications to Chess Scotland and Chess Scotland members. Anonimity has been used in the past to bully other posters and make them feel guilty for wishing a higher standard of accountability.

(v) I will not stand to be Junior International Director at the AGM. I am no longer a suitable candidate.


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2) Major attacks on my cores beliefs (right to free speech and in particular my perceived right as a paid up member to question aspects of CS management policy on the CS noticeboard). In particular my posting on the first day of May when in response to mate64 I posted.



Very dramatic! but just how does my posting an alternative opinion constitute a major attack on your core beliefs?. After all your friend moderates the board. In the past some pretty extreme attacks have been made by anonimous posters on others right to free speech. I didn't hear you raising any objections then.


Angus
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Chris Laidlaw
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would I risk further acrimonious correspondence by very respectfully asking whether minutes are ever published by CAS-(SJC)? I certainly think it is a good idea to have a Secretary in any organisation! Laughing
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Phil Thomas
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris,

At SJC we can take a little criticism without being upset. Yes SJC minutes are published, they go to all committee members of SJC.
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