Chess Scotland Noticeboard A place for chess nuts to boast over an open forum    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  English Deregister Non-Members Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8          Chess Scotland Noticeboard Forum Index -> General Chess Chat View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message DMB King Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 267 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: >>> GN: The one thing I don't get, though, is how it is that some events / tournaments manage to FIDE rate their games even when many of the participants are not affiliated to a national body - SNCL is the the one that first comes to mind. Isn't this just a straight breach of FIDE rules? We had misinterpreted the FIDE regulation which says that players had to be members of a federation - as in card carrying members. FIDE's use of the term membership really means belonging to a federation ie a CS non-member born here is still a member of the Scottish federation. It should have been obvious the interpretation was wrong since several federations dont have individual domestic membership schemes - notably the Russians. So now FIDE rating is compiled for all players whether they are CS members or not. However the FIDE fee for SCO registered non CS members is £2 but only £1 for members. Back to top GN King Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 415 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:56 pm    Post subject: DMB wrote: >>> GN: The one thing I don't get, though, is how it is that some events / tournaments manage to FIDE rate their games even when many of the participants are not affiliated to a national body - SNCL is the the one that first comes to mind. Isn't this just a straight breach of FIDE rules? We had misinterpreted the FIDE regulation which says that players had to be members of a federation - as in card carrying members. FIDE's use of the term membership really means belonging to a federation ie a CS non-member born here is still a member of the Scottish federation. It should have been obvious the interpretation was wrong since several federations dont have individual domestic membership schemes - notably the Russians. So now FIDE rating is compiled for all players whether they are CS members or not. However the FIDE fee for SCO registered non CS members is £2 but only £1 for members. Ah ha! Finally I get it. Thanks Back to top Phil Thomas King Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 758 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:54 pm    Post subject: Adam Raoof wrote: Dear Phil Many thanks for your post. Bearing in mind that this is a Chess Scotland Noticeboard I'll be brief! I have looked into this and can confirm that your emails were received, together with your application form dated 2 May 2008. Unfortunately it appears that no action was taken at that time, and this is obviously unacceptable. I apologise sincerely for any inconvenience caused, and if there is anything that needs updating or correcting feel free to email me directly at adamraoof@gmail.com in future. Please be aware that as some time has elapsed we may have to ask for a current CRB, and membership of the ECF, but that the situation with former BCF coaches is complicated (i.e. I don't understand all the issues!) Dear Adam, Rather than write to you privately I thank you publicly for your swift, precise and researched answer. We concur on the facts. It will not surprise you or the other readers of this notice board that as a paid up and active member of Chess Scotland and resident of Scotland since 2003 I have no current intention to or need to join a second national body. I understand the rule set down by the ECF but I don't agree with the logic in charging arbiters to allow them to work for free or for minimal financial compensation. You are taxing your volunteers. Back to top Adam Raoof Knight Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 10 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:23 am    Post subject: Phil Thomas wrote: Dear Adam, Rather than write to you privately I thank you publicly for your swift, precise and researched answer. We concur on the facts. It will not surprise you or the other readers of this notice board that as a paid up and active member of Chess Scotland and resident of Scotland since 2003 I have no current intention to or need to join a second national body. I understand the rule set down by the ECF but I don't agree with the logic in charging arbiters to allow them to work for free or for minimal financial compensation. You are taxing your volunteers. I sympathise. My view is that someone who is a CS arbiter is entitled to work anywhere in the UK. However if they want to be included on the Chess Arbiters Association list, then they may have to join that Association. If they wish to be included on the English Chess Federation list then they may have to join the ECF. I don't know what the position of ex-BCF arbiters is, but the simplest thing to do is to wipe the slate clean and start over again. I also believe, and expressed the view at the recent CAA AGM, that arbiters were entitled to charge tournament organisers for their services and should not be reluctant to do so, even if in the end they donate their fee back to the event they work for. At the very least I believe that the CAA should set an official daily rate that they believe a qualified arbiter should expect to receive when asked to run an event, and this figure should be borne in mind by organisers when budgeting. If we want to be treated professionally, then we need to start treating arbiting more like a profession and not a hobby. _________________ Best wishes Adam Raoof ECF Director of Home Chess FIDE International Organiser & Arbiter Mailing list: send a blank email to adamraoof-subscribe@topica.com http://www.goldersgreenchess.blogspot.com/ Back to top Matthew Turner Pawn Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 4 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:07 am    Post subject: Adam Raoof wrote, "One or two players had been deliberately ignoring the rule for a few years, and continued to refuse to pay their contribution to the funding of the ECF." Over the past twenty or so years I have raised tens of thousands of pounds for English Chess, the BCF and the ECF. I created and still administer the Certificate of Excellence that raises a couple of thousand pounds a year to support English Junior Chess. I have never received a penny for this. I am not a 'freeloader'. Adam Raoof wrote, "The fact that some players have re-discovered their Scottish ancestry at the precise moment they finally realised that they would have to pay their membership fee to the ECF does not surprise me" This is simply offensive - I have been a member of Chess Scotland for many years. Back to top Matthew Turner Pawn Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 4 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:21 am    Post subject: I have just received a coiuple of E-mails from Andrew Farthing and Lawrence Cooper confirming that the ECF will not be seeking a compensation fee. I would like to thank Lawrence, Andrew and Adam Raoof for reaching this decision. 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