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Time to name names.
I am arbiting this weekend in the Bishops section. Lynsey Shovin was playing Simon Kerridige. Both were in time trouble coming up to the first time control. Simon moved but forgot to hit the clock. Lynsey instantly told him.
Chess is a sport where good manners and sportsmanship are key. It is good to see it being shown in actual play. Well done Lynsey! |
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Stuart Blyth
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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What is Joe's 'position' or your 'view' in respect of the point I was trying to raise?
Do you approve or disapprove of the type of attitude/behaviour I was trying to describe? |
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JR
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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I already said that the first time they forget I think it is correct to politely let them know, the only exception would be if both players were in a serious time scramble (I am talking about the last few seconds with flags hanging, not say 5 minutes for 5 moves).
If they forget the second time I see no reason to tell, players need to learn to press their clock! I am also not suggesting that I would sit there and allow their time to run down, I would simply think about my move and make it when I was ready, whether this would be after 1 minute, 10 minutes or whatever. I don't see anything wrong with this whatsoever and I am sure there are plenty of people who would not even say the first time.
The point is however that no player is under any obligation to tell them and is the arbiter really entitled to step in as Phil Thomas said he has done?! |
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Alan Bell
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| JR wrote: | | I already said that the first time they forget I think it is correct to politely let them know |
And I can vouch for that as recently as last week at SNCL. Still groggy from the early start I left my clock running and Joe did not hesitate to point it out. He then rather unsportingly completely outplayed me. |
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sigrun
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Nobody will tell you that you are about to leave your queen 'en prise |
When I learned to play in Germany we used to say "Gardé" when attacking the queen! Much later when I played in comps it was considered rude to say it on the grounds that your opponent oughto know! Of course that goes for the king as well - so we don't actually need to say "check".
In blitz games I especially only look at the clock when it's my opponent's turn to move - it's really a waste of time to look at the clock when it's your own turn to move.
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andyburnett
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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I always point out to my opponent if he forgets to press the clock, whether it's the first time or the 20th!
Just the way I feel about it - also, I wouldn't be able to concentrate anyway if I had noticed and was determined not to tell them because it's their own responsibility. |
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Pat McGovern
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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even in deepest Ayrshire we have cheating (fraud, violation; look up OED)going on. Players (usually board 1) not turning up for league match, giving rest of team easier game than if they all move up a board.
Players showing disregard for rules they themdelves established etc etc. yes it still happens to our beautiful game. But what happens? usually nothing. Until the powers that be clamp down on offenders in their midst then it will still happen from time to time. Pity eh?
Last edited by Pat McGovern on Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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John Montgomery SW
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: Ayrshire Chess |
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I would like to point out that further to the post by Pat McGovern that there have not been any complaints made to the Ayrshire Chess Association management committee about any such alleged incidents of cheating or malpractice and would strongly suggest that the allegations are withdrawn immediately. Also I would like to point out that the Ayrshire Chess Association has a formal disciplinary code and complaints and grievance procedures.
John Montgomery
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Ayrshire Chess Association |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Ayrshire Chess |
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| John Montgomery SW wrote: | I would like to point out that further to the post by Pat McGovern that there have not been any complaints made to the Ayrshire Chess Association management committee about any such alleged incidents of cheating or malpractice and would strongly suggest that the allegations are withdrawn immediately. Also I would like to point out that the Ayrshire Chess Association has a formal disciplinary code and complaints and grievance procedures.
John Montgomery
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Ayrshire Chess Association |
I would like to point out that in my extensive experience of the world outside Ayrshire that defaults are more likely to happen on board 1. Within Ayshire it has not happened to me yet. I'm sure not sure what penalties for board 1 defaults are by Ayrshire rules but in my limited experience they seem to work. Last week I may have looked like a board 1 default myself. I turned up late at Ayr's venue but I was very early at Irvine's venue  |
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Pat McGovern
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| allegations or opinions, take your pick. i will not withdraw my opinion. even here we have freedom of speech. |
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Pat McGovern
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Phil there are no penalties for defaulting board 1. there have been occasions in the past where it has appeared that there was no intention of the board 1 turning up but some players were economical with the truth and stated that he was (but did not). There is nothing that can be done unless players are honest. Now honesty there's a thing, a rare commodity in such a noble sport.
Chess is getting like football, e.g. do what you want but dont get caught and if you do never admit it. |
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GN
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Pat McGovern wrote: | ...
Chess is getting like football, e.g. do what you want but dont get caught and if you do never admit it. |
I do hope Ayrshire league club captains are not going to start sending bombs to one another through the post... |
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robin moore
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
I am sure Ayrshire's most famous resident would have his quill sharpened and ready for this debate !
Rantin' Rovin' Robin.
(Yes my mother was and still is a big fan of Burns) |
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Mike Scott
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Personally I think the rule should be simply enforced by deducting an additional pt (or 2) for a default that occurs on a board other than the bottom board(s). |
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David Deary
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Scott wrote: | | Personally I think the rule should be simply enforced by deducting an additional pt (or 2) for a default that occurs on a board other than the bottom board(s). |
Absolutely!
Unless there are serious mitigating circumstances like a natural disaster swallowing up a board 1 player on their way to the match.
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