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Jacqui Thomas
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 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: Liverpool Quadrangular 10-12 December 2010 |
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Our Juniior squad are setting off to attend the Liverpool Quadrangular this weekend. Good luck to all. Here are the teams - Please note age @ 1/9/2010
U16
Ian McDonald
Shivan Murdochy
Jonny Scott
Ali Roy
Miguel Espinosa
Sam Gregory
U14
Daniel Thomas
Kiron Roy
Peter Sanders
Cristina Espinosa
Ciaran Jenkins
Carl Milton
Andrew McCusker
Stuart Wynne
Nadia Ameur
Rishi Pandya
U12
Murad Abdulla
Kai Pannwitz
Fergus Skillen
Colin Howie
Alexander Bond
Zak Roy
Jamie Underwood
Andrew Reilly
Declan Shafi
Rowan Pathi |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Andy!
Well done to the players and Phil and the support team!
Its a shame for the U16 bottom boards that their opponents were short of players. |
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| Left Gretna, still 30 mins early |
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http://www.englishchess.org.uk/?p=7768#more-7768
Peter Purland's report on the event.
This has been another massive effort by Scottish Junior Chess organisers, the junior chess players and their parents once more. I think it was a successful event but I really think when we are travelling so far and putting so much resources in this event that our hosts and other areas represented have to put more effort into providing full teams for our far travelling youngsters to play.
It appears to me that we are bending over backwards to make the event happen whilst the others arn't really that bothered. Considering we travel to Liverpool every year I think our organisers and childrens efforts are being a little taken for granted. I suggest casting our net further afield and trying to boost representation in some other European level competition. Peter Purland i.e. has managed to arrange a very successful trip with many junior players to the Baltic area this year but can't get full teams to travel to Liverpool to play Scotland.
Great effort on Scotland's part but!! |
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Phil Thomas
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Scotland Results by team and player - taken from ECF excel sheet.
Columns lost on transfer but for each player final number is total score over 3 rounds
Under 16 3 4 4 11
1 Ian McDonald 0 1 ½ 1½
2 Shivan Murdochy 0 1 0 1
3 Jonathan Scott 0 1 1 2
4 Ali Roy 1 1 ½ 2½
5 Miguel Espinosa 1 D D 1+2D
6 Sam Gregory D D D 3D
Under 14 2½ 5½ 3 11
1 Daniel Thomas ½ ½ 0 1
2 Kiron Roy 0 0 0 0
3 Peter Sanders 0 1 ½ 1½
4 Cristina Espinosa ½ 1 0 1½
5 Ciaron Jenkins 0 0 ½ ½
6 Carl Milton 0 1 1 2
7 Andrew McCusker 0 ½ 1 1½
8 Stuart Wynn ½ ½ 0 1
9 Nadia Ameur 0 0 0 0
10 Rishi Pandya D D 0 0+2D
Under 12 4½ 6½ 4½ 15½
1 Murad Abdulla 0 ½ ½ 1
2 Kai Pannwitz ½ ½ ½ 1½
3 Fergus Skillen 0 0 0 0
4 Colin Howie ½ 1 ½ 2
5 Alexander Bond 1 ½ ½ 2
6 Zak Roy ½ ½ 0 1
7 Declan Shafi 1 1 ½ 2½
8 Jamie Underwood 1 1 1 3
9 Andrew Reilly 0 ½ 0 ½
10 Rowan Pathi 0 D 1 1+D |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Angus McDonald wrote: | http://www.englishchess.org.uk/?p=7768#more-7768
Peter Purland's report on the event.
This has been another massive effort by Scottish Junior Chess organisers, the junior chess players and their parents once more. I think it was a successful event but I really think when we are travelling so far and putting so much resources in this event that our hosts and other areas represented have to put more effort into providing full teams for our far travelling youngsters to play.
It appears to me that we are bending over backwards to make the event happen whilst the others arn't really that bothered. Considering we travel to Liverpool every year I think our organisers and childrens efforts are being a little taken for granted. I suggest casting our net further afield and trying to boost representation in some other European level competition. Peter Purland i.e. has managed to arrange a very successful trip with many junior players to the Baltic area this year but can't get full teams to travel to Liverpool to play Scotland.
Great effort on Scotland's part but!! |
Defaults from opposition teams was particularly rough on Sam Gregory who didn't get to play a single match in the competition.
Extremely stressful for me to juggle our 6 travelling reserves between the other 3 teams - trying to avoid major mismatches between 2 Scottish players.
The Topic of defaults came up at organisers meeting. The hosts were genuinely apologetic and the following actions were agreed for the 2011 event.
(a) Medals or trophies for each member of each winning team
(b) Medal/ trophy for the best player within each team. Had this been in force this year our winners would have been Jamie Underwood, Carl Milton and either Ali Roy or Sam Gregory
(c) A tournament for travelling reserves.
This year our travelling reserves were
Matthew Thomas U16 - English for the weekend
Monica Espinosa J10 -Welsh U14 this weekend
Anna Milton J10 - Welsh U12 this weekend
Kirsty McCusker - J10 - no fixed nationality this weekend
Rachel Skillen - J9 no fixed nationality this weekend
Lauren Bond - J9 no fixed nationality this weekend
The tournament for travelling reserves in 2011 should result in on site reserves for the 3 other teams taking part.
This change provides an opportunity for us to take more reserves than normal and this is my intention for next year.
Selection of travelling reserves this year and last has been my decision alone. This year I elected to boost girls chess by taking younger sisters of team members who were travelling with an older brother plus a parent. I like to think that those 5 girls benefitted greatly from their experiences.
Travelling reserves echoes an issue that was extensively discussed on the ECF notice board in connection with world and euro youth events. My policy decisions are as follows.
For next year travelling reserves can only do so by invitation.
But, in contrast to representative teams lobbying by parents for a place is likely to be successful. In loco parentis situation would be as for the main squad. The Nightingale lodge can easily accommodate extra players but there would be a strict deadline for entry - to reduce admin workload.
I would need to tackle the issue of self catering for extra players and parents. Also I would have to careefully consider the correct number of chaperones and coaches required (wheeled and legged versions). |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Angus McDonald wrote: | http://www.englishchess.org.uk/?p=7768#more-7768
Peter Purland's report on the event.
This has been another massive effort by Scottish Junior Chess organisers, the junior chess players and their parents once more. I think it was a successful event but I really think when we are travelling so far and putting so much resources in this event that our hosts and other areas represented have to put more effort into providing full teams for our far travelling youngsters to play.
It appears to me that we are bending over backwards to make the event happen whilst the others arn't really that bothered. Considering we travel to Liverpool every year I think our organisers and childrens efforts are being a little taken for granted. I suggest casting our net further afield and trying to boost representation in some other European level competition. Peter Purland i.e. has managed to arrange a very successful trip with many junior players to the Baltic area this year but can't get full teams to travel to Liverpool to play Scotland.
Great effort on Scotland's part but!! |
2 Extra points to reply to
Liverpool will always be more cost effective per head to organise but trips to European countries are not ruled out.
The ECF posting refers indirectly to poor winter weather and difficult road conditions. With hindsight we had the best weather between 6 and 17 December. This was widely and accurately forecast. There were concerns about travel expressed and rightly expressed by some parents. Given the forecasts available there was not time in my mind when the trip was likely to be cancelled.
While I had such a heavy focus on the weather, road, and snow depth reports readily available in the public domain.... It was easy to see the heavy snow moving slowly south on Monday morning.
Looking at what is available today there is a possible repeat of Mon Dec 6th weather on Thursday 16th. The Met office site gives a much more severe warning than the BBC weather site. I would give greatest weight to the Met office.
It remains to be seen how competent the new minister for snow is. Could be an an interesting few days coming up. |
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Angus McDonald
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Phil,
Weather is certainly a consideration for an event being held in December with long travelling distances by road. Personally I think it's too early for you to be making policy decisions for next year's event and that there should be a period of consultation with parents of likely participants as to
how they feel about Scotland juniors always being the ones travelling long distances at this time of year and whether or not it would be in our childrens interests to organise something else? A larger turnout to the British age group championships in Sheffield? perhaps in the summer? More games! big entry fees mind you. In School holidays. Under 16 event FIDE rated. All under 16s who went to Liverpool still eligible. imho
regards,
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Mike Scott
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Phil said
| Quote: | | (b) Medal/ trophy for the best player within each team. Had this been in force this year our winners would have been Jamie Underwood, Carl Milton and either Ali Roy or Sam Gregory |
Not sure how a player (Sam) can win a best player prize without having played any games!
If this year was exceptional then I would be less concerned but I think it in previous years our opponents have struggled to provide full teams.
If a check back does show that there is a regular problem of teams being short then perhaps the size of each team should be reduced.
My concern is that next year the players likely to be on the lower boards (or their parents) my question whether it is worth travelling unless there is some guarantee that they will get a game against non-Scottish players. |
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| That formed part of the Discussion both Phil and I had with them. The idea is that all teams will have reserves. There will be a reserve competition so that any reserves that end up not being used can get competitive games |
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Mike Scott
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Given the problem fielding a full team how confident are you that they can field a full team plus reserves?
Don't get me wrong - I think its a great event, with the large teams (especially with reserves) its a great chance for players outside the top 2 or 3 to be involved in a representative fixture, and to get to know each other.
I wouldn't rush to change the time based on one exceptionally bad start to December. |
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Phil Thomas
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Angus McDonald wrote: | Phil,
Weather is certainly a consideration for an event being held in December with long travelling distances by road. Personally I think it's too early for you to be making policy decisions for next year's event and that there should be a period of consultation with parents of likely participants as to
how they feel about Scotland juniors always being the ones travelling long distances at this time of year and whether or not it would be in our childrens interests to organise something else? A larger turnout to the British age group championships in Sheffield? perhaps in the summer? More games! big entry fees mind you. In School holidays. Under 16 event FIDE rated. All under 16s who went to Liverpool still eligible. imho
regards,
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Angus,
Policy decisions made now can be changed if anybody convinces me that the policy is wrong. Consultation period started in Liverpool with Jacqui and I talking to players and parents, and continues with any emails received on the subject from yesterday onwards. |
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Angus McDonald
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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That's good Phil.
Perhaps we can have the discussion in public also as there are quite simple points and issues which should be in the open imho.
i.e. I think we'll look back in time and think we were all far too accomodating regards taking a coach load of children down to Liverpool every winter to play only 3 games with nobody ever offering or suggesting a reciprocal arrangement where they do the travelling to play us in Scotland.
I agree that playing new opposition and strong opposition is good for our aspiring juniors but it appears to me that Scotland is doing a whole lot of the giving in this respect.
I don't think for one minute adult teams would put up with such an arrangement?
It is an inherited situation and any tournament is better than no tournament but perhaps it's time to put new options in place?
Also, 4 years ago when Ian first played the Liverpool tournament Jacob Aagard and Stephen Burns Mannion were doing the coaching. This was a
big attraction to attend and Ian and the under 12 players had all 3 of there games at under 12 gone over by an IM! Are there any plans to return to such standards?
Here's an interesting new tournament which has been announced for next year.
http://www.gibraltarchesscongress.com/gib2011/juniorinternational.html
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