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What's Happened to the Juniors?
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Phil Thomas
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Well 'La De Dah'

If you two were as good at Chess as you are at Geography
then your pictures would up there along with the GM's.

Now I know you did not learn your Geography from Fritz.

So why are you using Fritz to learn Chess.

Solution:

You want to be a chess grandmaster?

Go and see your geography teacher.



And don't forget that Kasparov was born in Azerbaijan.
Karpov was, according to Wikipedia, ** born at Zlatoust in the Urals region of the former Soviet Union.

** The geographical equivalent of learning chess from Fritz
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JimWebster
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what Geoff will make of this comment!

(taken from the Chessbase report on Corus Rd2)

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For much of the afternoon, the engines were claiming that the World Champion was in trouble with white against Short, but Kasparov felt differently. "Engines!", he snarled,


Heaven help us now.....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Solution:

You want to be a chess grandmaster?

Go and see your geography teacher.


Funnily enough, it was my Geography teacher who took the chess club and taught me...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kasparov and Carlsen at work together.

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Geoff Chandler
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Thank You Gavin - Thank You so much.

http://www.chessedinburgh.co.uk/chandlerarticle.php?ChandID=5
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Alan Jelfs
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

admin wrote:
Geoff Chandler wrote:
Solution:

You want to be a chess grandmaster?

Go and see your geography teacher.


Funnily enough, it was my Geography teacher who took the chess club and taught me...


Chess Club at my school was taken by the Latin teacher. He never played a game of chess as far as I know. He obviously knew the moves and rules and, because our school chess league used immediate after-match adjudication to decide results of unfinished games, picked up basic endgame knowledge.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I look at that picture of Kasparov and Carlsen I can't help but imagine it to be more like the morning after the night before in the gay bar than two of the best players in the World practising Chess. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Note Magnus is using the same style and size of set he usually uses
in his serious games.

Us lesser lights will be studying on the plastic and green/white boards
that are in use in tournaments.

Either way it is always a good idea to study with the weapons you will be using.


That's a further argument again beyond the use of a board, I don't see the need to use the exact same kind of pieces every time.

(I use a Lewis set.)
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Geoff Chandler
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Gavin.

Thanks for the picture - I've used it already on some other
sites where I have my wars.

This forum baiting is much better than playing. I'm King Troll.

And have made a million new friends.

Re: Lewis Pieces Joke. (not funny).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gavin wrote:


(I use a Lewis set.)


Ah. That may explain the rook and pawn endgame... Razz
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Mike Scott
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Claims of gender inequities in education overall (Orienstein, 1994; Sadker & Sadker, 1994), and particularly in math, science and technology (AAUW, 2000, 1991, 1998; Kelly, 1988), coupled with the growing trend of technology use, not only in education, but in the current and future workforce (AAUW, 1998; Robertson, 1998), indicate that females may need to be better prepared technologically, so as to compete with males in the new knowledge-based economy. A report by the American Association of University Woman (AAUW, 1998) concluded that, as technology is increasingly integrated into the education system, educators need to ensure that females gain ground and become more involved in technology fields in order for them to achieve economic independence in the industries of the 21st century.

However, according to some research, females are not gaining this crucial ground (e.g. AAUW, 1998, 2000; Huang, Ring, Toich & Torres, 1998; NCES, 2000; Neumann, 1991). Lichtman (1998) observed that the “…low number of woman who take…computer science, who choose computer science as a field of study and who are employed in technology related fields confirms that computer science is far and away a male dominated world” (p.2). Females make up only a small percentage of students in computer science and computer design courses (NCES, 2000). As well, females are less likely than males to say that they like and are good at technology, and are less likely than males to exhibit computer confidence and have a positive attitude about computers (AAUW, 1998).


If one takes the above as true and assumes this translates to female chess players being less likely to use computers ti aid their study would any one dare to suggest whether this is evidence for or against the motion that computers hinder chess development? Twisted Evil
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Geoff Chandler
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mike.

All I can read in that is girls are not geeks.
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Phil Thomas
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Hi Mike.

All I can read in that is girls are not geeks.



Blessed are the Geek
For they shall inherit the Earth
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angus McDonald wrote:
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1. A well established chess playing culture.
2. Significant state support or alternative sponsorships deals.
3. Harsh winter weather.
4. Access to computers and the internet.
5. Relocating Grandmasters.

Moscow seems to outscore Perth heavily in Categories
1
2
3
5

Perth outscores Moscow in category 4

Therefore I predict more Grandmasters in Moscow than in Perth.

Which is reality.
Looks like still more support for my theory. Thanks Geoff


Of these 5 categories there is only one that we can change.
Item 2.

Shall we try ?


'Yes'

You will have my support if you wish it to do so. I already offered to do this a number of months back on this forum as there must be limited time for all the directors to do their various CS and other responsibilities.

Whilst doing this, I would also suggest that investigations are made into making airfare and accomodation costs payable by juniors going to events home and abroad tax refundable through the 'gift aid' scheme.

Putting these payments through a junior chess charity like SJCAET it may be possible to claim 'gift aid'? In other words we gift the payments to SJCAET and they then pay the airfares. SJCAET get the tax back. If so I'd approach government to see if this could be done retrospectively as parents have now been funding 'Scotlands' international efforts on the British and International level with little support from government for many years.

I'd guess if all the air fare, bus fare, accomodation costs paid over the last 3 years were to receive 'gift aid' then the result could be around £10,000?
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/gift-aid.htm
I think government could justify a one off payment to Chess on this basis?
Chess in Scotland has received government support at grass root level over the previous decade of somewhere between £250,000 and £500,000.

It's ludicrous to put this kind of money into Chess at grass roots level if you arn't prepared to support Scottish talent at all age levels. I can't think of any other sport where it's considered a good idea to support at grass root level but there is practically no support to help the talented participants. Meanwhile we must be grateful that support for Chess at grass root level was achieved.

Finally.

In 2008 SJCAET kindly sponsored Ian and Maryann to go to the European Youth Junior Championship. We were caught in the credit crunch and the trust gave £100 each sponsorship. Having 2 play for their country can be an expensive business!! but they love it and feel honoured to represent their country.

Things are though much better for us now and I'd like to put £200 towards the formation of a junior organisation to support the 18 to 25/30
age group to play a couple of top tournaments each year. It appears at present that once you reach 18 there is little support to continue. Perhaps this is an area that the SJCAET would like to pursue? if so I'll return the money to them! Smile

Angus McDonald




Given the debate in another thread it seems appropriate to mention that only Angus responded to my question.

Raising funds is less exciting than watching GM games but in the long run it is more important
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AMcHarg
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil Thomas wrote:

Raising funds is less exciting than watching GM games but in the long run it is more important


Couldn't agree more. Money makes the world go round, Chess is no exception.

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